Wow, a lot to digest here.
From a high level, I see your point in the first post, it’s pretty ruthless, but I see it and maybe there’s something to explore there.
Looking at your replies in this thread though, you come across as disrespectful and dismissive and I don’t think that’s the right way to go about this conversation.
Yeah, the thing is if you don’t exist, somebody else will show up (no disrespect)
Putting “no disrespect” in parentheses doesn’t make what you said respectful and I think you’re incredibly out of touch with the network. Orchestrators do come and go frequently, and the cost to set one up is very expensive right now. Most orchestrators are operating in the red or are simply unable to scale because they don’t have enough stake to survive off LPT rewards. What you’re saying here is the top Orchestrators, the ones who have been here the longest, contribute the most, and actually care about the network should be cut loose because “somebody else will show up”. Weird take but ok, moving on…
You guys seem to think you own the network. You don’t.
Strange, I don’t know any Orchestrator who thinks that. I know a lot of really passionate node operators who want to see Livepeer win, but no one that believes they “own” the network.
You guys are missing the psychology of things here.
Another disrespectful jab demeaning Orchestrators, nice.
Decentralization is about adoption first.
Correct, and how do you expect a decentralized network to attract adoption if the infrastructure (cough cough, that’s us O’s) is garbage? Do you not think the demand side is top-of-mind for all the active Orchestrators?
It’s just that I sometimes feel like I’m just a peasent working for the Orchestrator lords.
I’m sorry you feel that way and I’m not sure why you do, to be honest. The Orchestrator community is some of the kindest and most giving people I’ve met. Sort of an odd thing to throw in there.
100 people are running this show and earning money.
What makes you say this? It’s simply not true. Most O’s don’t make money or can’t afford to improve their performance, as I mentioned before.
Some O’s have come together to build a solution for that, and that’s what the active O’s do - build. You seem to think we sit on thrones and drink ever-flowing Thai ice-tea while asking our delegators to bring us more cheese platters. No, we’re in the mud going to work.
Anyway, that aside
Really strong statements to follow with “anyway”.
Binance is running a blank O that does no work but still getting rewards.
Yes, we all agree, vampire O’s should not exist. We don’t like them either.
The network is always sustainable, my friend.
Would love to know how a network is always sustainable without any infrastructure or developers.
Do you guys ever realize it’s all orchestrators, everywhere? Discord, Forum, Water Cooler Chat… I only see O’s talking.
Yes, that’s kind of the point we’re trying to make. Orchestrators are the most active builders on the network outside of the core team. We would LOVE to see more active delegators and broadcasters, and the O community continues to work on attracting different profiles to the ecosystem.
The network shouldn’t need to compensate O’s that has no work.
The network shouldn’t need to compensate poor performers or O’s that don’t have any transcoders. Again, we agree there. Orchestrators that do have GPUs and enough stake will receive their share of work and should be compensated. Orchestrators that have GPUs but little stake are not compensated very well and plenty of them do shutdown or leave the network permanently.
Otherwise this is like an upper class minority ruling over a majority.
I don’t understand your fixation with lords and ruling. It’s a baseless statement, and frankly, pretty rude. Who are O’s ruling? What majority?
I don’t think your points around inflation are invalid and I’m not dismissing them at all. I think permanent inflation is unhealthy, but I also think many of the comments you made were entirely uncalled for and needed to be addressed.